What can Claude Code actually build for an ecommerce store?

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Charles Travers: Hey guys, welcome back to another week of e-commerce marketing chats with myself Charles and Jimmy Jimmy has again mate. It’s been a bit a couple of weeks Lots been going on since we’ve been away and

Jimmy Dalgleish: Yeah, no, and I think. Yeah, you, well, we’ll just say before the call. mean, I’ve been away just on holiday at Easter with the kids for two weeks, but yeah, it’s like I’ve come back to a, a new world. Things are changing so quickly. ⁓ I think, I think the biggest changes, even from a marketing perspective for, ⁓ Shopify users is to see advancements that Claude are making at the moment. And You can literally access your Shopify store as of I think it’s three days ago, like natively through Shopify with Claude. So, ⁓ I will say, I will say to the people that are testing that like, ⁓ do it with an air of caution because I have already seen two people like completely just nuke their sites, trying to make template edits and not a hundred percent sure what they’re doing. And then.

Charles Travers: Yeah, I just saw that. Yeah.

Jimmy Dalgleish: ⁓ if you’re going to edit anything in a theme, make sure you do it on a test theme, not on your life theme. So I will say that, but I mean, I’ve been, I’ve been using Claude on Shopify for a little while now. I can kind of give everyone listening a use case. So I work with a supplement company and they have about say about 600 products that were flagged for. ⁓ misleading health claims. So these are usually the descriptions coming from, you know, the suppliers that they get the supplements from. And to be honest with you for that client to change 600 descriptions, to make them Google compliant and not misleading health claims would have taken them months and months, ⁓ if they even did it at all. So what I was able to build with Claude code was a little tool that I’m now using internally that takes. the misleading health claims report from the merchant center. I load it straight up to the tool. It automatically finds all the products that are referenced in those misleading health claims and will automatically rewrites all the descriptions and make them Google compliant with the documentation that I’ve given it and the training that I’ve given it. So I ran that it took 23 minutes to write 600. new descriptions. So this is kind of, kind of the level you can play at now with large skew stores. The thing that I’m building right now is a title and description optimizer for the product feed. But also I am finding in the Google merchant center product feed, especially like fashion stores, they’re just missing like some of the data that should be in that feed, like color sizing, what gender it’s for. literally building out a tool that’s going to fill out all that missing, those missing data gaps for these people, which is going to be extremely important in this AI phase. Cause the AI is really relying on kind of that additional data. Like the more specific you can get about a product I’m finding the more higher, the higher chance you have of showing up in these AI results as well. And think Charles has got his own discussion that he wants to have on like the conversions that are happening in AI. ⁓ from a data perspective as well, but yeah, in terms of what Claude code is bringing to people to be able to one, understand their data more build tools to, ⁓ change workflows. It’s just, and then I, went to a, an open call meetup on last Thursday and just some of the things people are building are absolutely mind blowing. am. I’ll give you, I’ll give you an example of something that I saw that was built because people say this all the time. I’m like, Oh yeah, this is mind blowing what people are doing. And then you’re like, Oh, what are they actually doing? So I had a look at, how to look at this. Uh, it was for basically all companies that wanted to get pools into houses. So this open core is like, if you give it a neighborhood, it scrapes the Google earth data for the whole neighborhood takes individual properties. And artificially puts in what a pool would look like in their backyard. And then basically sends it, sends it off to that person’s house. Say basically, Hey, how good would a pool look in your house? And it’s their backyard with a pool in it. Um, just, just in, just insane. Um, but yeah, and I, so the person that hosted that, um, open call meetup, his name’s Simon beard, massive.

Charles Travers: That’s amazing. That’s amazing. Yeah.

Jimmy Dalgleish: estate estate estate estate entrepreneur in Australia, absolute legend. He owned culture Kings, which he got a, ⁓ sold 50 % of it for $600 million. And he’s kind of pushing this open claw phase at the moment and he’s fully behind it. And he basically said, you know, a real estate agent reached out to me, he’s like, how can real estate agents use this? And so he built out something in open floor that scrapes. Um, real estate.com that I use takes all their data finds like distress listings. And, um, he was able to get the contact details of all the agents to open claw and basically sending thousands of emails offering 50 % of what the person’s asking for, for distress listings. And he’s like, look, this is a numbers game. Obviously I’m not expecting a high reply rate, but someone might just want to super click sale and I’m offering all cash for like a 50 % reduction. So. If you’re playing the number game in the thousands, you you’re likely to get one at some point, I guess. um, yeah, the, the amount of data that you can scrape now, the tools that you can build at scale, who you can contact. Um, yeah, just it’s, uh, it’s pretty crazy what’s coming. And, the only thing that’s limiting people at the moment, I think is their imagination and knowing what’s possible. think once people see what’s possible and they’re like, can, I can build that. And then they get their own ideas and they go off and build their own crazy, ⁓ app that they’ve spent a lot of time on. think where a lot of people are falling down, ⁓ I’m keen to hear if you’ve tried open floor yet or not Charles with your, with your Mac mini setup, but I think where a lot of people are falling down and Simon mentioned it too is They’re starting things like open claw or AI and expecting it to know everything. Whereas he’s looking at it from the perspective is this open claw is essentially a staff member. Um, and if a staff member is just coming into your business, you’re not going to say, build me a brand new website. You’re going to give them all the documentation that you have on the branding style guides, uh, what the, all the brand tonality. You got basically going to give them a whole bunch of information that they need to go out and create what you want to create. And I think that that’s the step that people are jumping that are saying, ⁓ this doesn’t work. They’re just trying the doing like a really broad statement and somehow AI is supposed to envision what’s in their mind. It doesn’t quite work like that. You do have, you do have to train it up. You have to give it data. You have to give it examples. You have to give it something to work with to help, I guess, ⁓ bring your. idea to fruition for, for me, for example, when I was built, when I’m building this app, ⁓ I spent probably three hours in cloud code, just with the opus model, planning it all before I even built anything. Whereas someone that hasn’t done it before will just go in there and say, Hey, build me this app. And then they got to use it. And it’s not working because they haven’t talked about all the nuances that they want in it, how they want it to operate. And all of that. So I think when you’re building out something, the planning part of it is probably the most important and it saves a lot of time going back and forward, rebuilding an app when you’re finding all the bugs in it. But yeah, I probably spend about two or three hours just chatting with this AI agent about what I wanted this new app that I’m building to look like for the product feed optimization. And by the time I’d finished it had like 1200 lines of in a markdown file of everything that we discussed, what I wanted to build, all the nuances of it. And then you can feed that into cloud code for to start the build. So you imagine someone saying, build me this app. like two sentences. And then I’m feeding it a file and saying, Hey, build this app 1200 lines. Like, it’s kind of, it’s kind of the difference. Like a broad. Statement versus a I’ve just literally trained this whole thing up with exactly what I want. 1200 lines of markdown 1200 line markdown file telling Claude code exactly what to build. And I think that’s, that’s kind of the difference at the moment. I’m really excited about this stuff too. If you can’t tell, mean, I’ve really enjoyed building these tools for saving me so much time, but they’re also really improving. ⁓

Charles Travers: You

Jimmy Dalgleish: the quality of output that my clients are getting in, in, especially in their Google ads account. But, um, you can use this outside of marketing too, even though it’s super helpful for your Shopify marketing. Um, it’s, you can kind of implement it in all aspects. That’s, think it’s, uh, yeah, if you, if you’re not at least experimenting with this stuff at the moment, then do yourself a favor and just start. And if you’re wanting to just start, I would just at the moment again, these can always change, but at the moment, the, the best AI to be testing and playing around with is Claude. think when we started out this podcast, Charles, think chat GBT was definitely like a fire in front of everything else that’s changed. I’m, expecting at some point it will change again. So if you’re, whatever time you’re listening to this ⁓ at the current time. All the tests have Claude’s Opus model at the highest logic and reasoning rankings. So at the moment it’s the best model to use for your AI. But yeah, I’ve talked a lot about the tools that I’m building. I know you bought a Mac mini Charles specifically to test Claude code. Have you jumped on that yet? ⁓ sorry, not Claude code, openClaude.

Charles Travers: Yeah, I’ve not opened Claude. I’ve been so engrossed with using Claude and really trying to, you know, I think you can spend, you know, days and weeks just mastering one platform. And I think for me, Claude is the best out there at the moment. Probably the latest thing that I’ve built out is an SEO command center. So basically what I’ve done is I’ve got access to my clients, Google Search Console, Google Analytics. I haven’t pulled in things like Shopify data. I think one thing I would say, if you are running an agency and you want to start using these tools for your clients, just be careful from a security perspective. I actually have a markdown file which actually talks about, you know, what this data should and shouldn’t be used for. So I’m always a little bit cautious in terms of like pulling through Shopify data from their APIs. And obviously I would need access from my clients to be able to do that. But incredible in terms of building out like this, it’s a game changer for me in terms of building out this SEO command center, because I can literally now rather than having to spend hours crawling through data and Google search console, I can just ask it like. You know, can you give me a rundown of the last 90 days? What pages are performing the best? What, what have underperformed? You know, I can really delve in and it can pull out data, especially when you’re working with Shopify stores that have got a lot of product skews and you’ve got thousands upon thousands of collection and product pages. It’s really good for kind of seeing where the opportunities are and the quick wins. You know, simple things I can say. Can you give me a list of pages that are ranking in same positions four to 10 on Google? Cause those are kind of where I would, those kind of low hanging fruit where I’d like to try and get them into the top three. I also overlaid that as well. There’s a site called, I think it’s data for seo.com where you can overlay like AI search visibility. So you can track certain AI search prompts that people are searching in for your clients. So I can kind of pull that through and now I’m able to, you know, give my clients a lot more data, especially when it comes to kind of doing monthly reports as well, a lot more, ⁓ lot more in depth data, but also not having to spend hours upon hours, just crafting a report as well, which is, you know, can, can take up a lot of time. yeah, that’s one of the, one of the main things I’ve been looking at. And actually just from that, I was looking at where the top performing organic search platforms in terms of revenue for one of my clients in 2025. And it was kind of some interesting, whether it’s slightly surprising data, but also, so basically I was looking at organic search revenue from Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo, Brave, which is another privacy, and ChatCheapieT. So out of those, Jimmy, if I was to give you those lists, what would you say would be, the top three there in terms of organic search revenue based on what you’re seeing with your clients?

Jimmy Dalgleish: say Google Bing and duck duck go and chat GPT are actually kind of almost on par for me on a few clients. So, but definitely ⁓ Google organic still dominates, but being, being still does all right, but yeah, duck duck go is actually surprisingly popped up in a few of my clients a little bit more recently, but it’s almost on par with chat GPT. It kind of, it, it, It really depends on the client side, cause I feel like some of my clients have put in a lot of work to, for AI search engines. And I think they see they’re starting to see a lot of, a lot more traffic coming through from that. Nothing to compete with Google organic, but I think if that growth trajectory continues, ⁓ it can definitely be a. A bit of a game player there, but yeah, what, did you see on your client side that might’ve been surprising Charles? Was that, well, one was I right? Are they the main ones or not?

Charles Travers: Well, what? Yeah, one no surprise there. Google 64 % of traffic, you know, revenue, organic search revenue came from Google being was number two at around 13 % which you know now with being having AI search performance data or webmasters. Yeah, copilot. I think that probably one of the main reasons

Jimmy Dalgleish: Copilot. Yeah.

Charles Travers: ⁓ number three actually I didn’t mention ⁓ but I put it in there It’s not really a search engine, but it kind of is which is youtube at just under 10 percent ⁓ and then number four was Duck duck duck duck go. Yeah, ⁓ again just under 10 percent And chat gpt came in at five at one point six five percent so yes, you know, we’ve only really with this client started to

Jimmy Dalgleish: Yeah, okay.

Charles Travers: focused more on AI search this year. But this was data from 2025. But yeah, it’s just interesting to see that like,

Jimmy Dalgleish: Does that come, does that combine like all the variations of chat GPT? The only reason, the only reason I ask is sometimes in the reports I see like chat gbt.com just chat gbt. And then like a few, yeah, a few variations of, or referral sources from chat gbt.

Charles Travers: It does. Yeah, it does. I correlated all of them up because yeah, I noticed that as well when you go into the Shopify analytics. So yeah, I think for me, probably the biggest, I think Bing is massively underrated. If you look at, know, before, if we were taking traditional search before AI search, you would have seen Google, you know, I would have seen that up at like 90%.

Jimmy Dalgleish: Yeah, okay. Mm.

Charles Travers: And now down at 64 % with being up at 13%. You know, obviously Google’s still the king of organic traffic and revenue. But yeah, I don’t think…

Jimmy Dalgleish: Problem I, the problem I have with being at moment is getting my clients actually into their merchant center, like the shopping ads. Sometimes it honestly, sometimes it can, sometimes it could take two months. ⁓ and then still not be on there. It’s like the process of getting on Bing is absolutely ridiculous. ⁓ I think a lot of account, ⁓ I think a lot of. business owners just get frustrated with it and be like, ⁓ it’s not worth my time anymore. This is ridiculous. And honestly, some cases it’s not. If you’re having to spend over two months, try and get on the Bing shopping networks, just insane. ⁓ I think they could like improve their service to business owners and get a lot more people on there. If it didn’t take two, three months and all these verifications to even tried to get on there. yeah, just when you were mentioning that, I’m just checking a client that we did about six months ago. They’re still not on. It’s, yeah, it’s, I think it definitely should be used by more people, but like being a Microsoft, I’m making it easy to do so, for example. And I used to recommend people go set up, their merchant standard within Bing. I’m not even bothering now because one, like none of my clients are getting through. They’re doing all the verifications and everything. not, they can get on the paid ads. That’s fine. They can’t seem to get on the organic Bing shopping listings. I don’t know if you’ve had any luck with that Charles or seen it on your end, but I think a lot of businesses could capitalize on it if they could do it. But yeah, it’s just, they just

Charles Travers: No, I mean this is rude

Jimmy Dalgleish: Don’t seem to be able to get on very easily at all. And to be honest, it’s, I don’t invest a whole lot of time looking at it. Like I really just focus on Google, but I have tried on just a couple of clients for some additional exposure. And yeah, the process is a nightmare.

Charles Travers: Yeah, I mean, from a, from an organic perspective, you know, I’ve not focused on it. Yeah. We don’t specifically focus on it for, you for my clients. I think the good thing is if you focus on ranking on Google, it seems to be that you’re going to be ranking well on Bing as well as a, you know, as a by-product of that. It’s the same, you know, ranking signals. There obviously are some nuances, but they have the same thing with, with, ⁓ you know, Google have AI overviews now at the top. within their search engine and Bing have the equivalent of that with their co-pilot at the top. I can’t remember exactly what they call it, but it’s the same equivalent. But when you make a search within Bing, it shows up sometimes with an AI answer. So yeah, it’s.

Jimmy Dalgleish: Yeah. Obviously like showing, showing up organically in the shopping doesn’t help their ads in any capacity. I was just doing it for them to get additional exposure. But if an SEO is going into being, and they’re able to master that for their clients could that, that if you’re saying that’s 10, if you’re saying that’s 10%, ⁓ being traffic for you for that particular client, there’s a, if you could get them in the, ⁓ organic shopping listing.

Charles Travers: That’s revenue. That, yeah. Yeah, that.

Jimmy Dalgleish: Yeah. If you could get them in the organic shopping listings too, that would probably jump up to 15. I’d say knowing, the client that you’re talking about, like, I think you could see a pretty decent jump from, from them. If you were able to get one, the merchant center and being working and get them into the shopping ads, the free listings for being.

Charles Travers: Yeah, for sure Actually also since I think we last spoke Jimmy ⁓ chat GBT have Rolled out for US clients their agentic checkout Platform. So my understanding with this is yeah, I don’t know if you’re aware of that. My understanding of this is that So you can you can search products within chat GBT and What you’re able to there when you click on to you know

Jimmy Dalgleish: Okay I haven’t seen it yet, no.

Charles Travers: go through, it opens up the interface of that merchant’s website. So you’re effectively, the data stays with, with the, you know, with the Shopify store. ⁓ and there’s a, there’s a partnership now with Shopify. So yeah, that’s some pretty big news for one of my us clients. They now have that on board and that’s not just for, ⁓ showing up in chat GPT, but also for, ⁓ being And I believe Google AI overviews as well, or it might be Gemini. So it’s not just ChatGPT that the products are gonna start showing up and you’re gonna have this agentic checkout feature. that’s pretty big news. It’ll be interesting to see obviously how bio-behavior shifts with that. But I think that’s kind of where we’re moving in terms of.

Jimmy Dalgleish: Okay, interesting. Now I haven’t seen that.

Charles Travers: search and visibility. ⁓ I must admit when I see all these things that Shopify are doing, I’m like, if you’re an e-commerce store and you’re not on Shopify, I don’t know what you’re doing because like they are so ahead of the game in terms of knowing where things are going and where search is going and where the world is going and how people are gonna be buying products that I think.

Jimmy Dalgleish: I don’t know. I don’t know.

Charles Travers: You would be doing a disservice if you’re on some other platform now. Because they just make things so much easier ⁓ from a marketing and operations perspective.

Jimmy Dalgleish: Yes. Yeah, I agree. On, ⁓ on a non AI note, ⁓ in the marketing space too, I did notice. So judge me. I’m not sure if you’ve come across that app in Shopify Charles, but judge me is finally a Google, Accredited like referral, like a review partner. So, ⁓ that is going to be able to be able to plug into merchant center a lot easier and, but people do have to update it. So if you do have judge me, ⁓ you have to go into the settings and just accept the new. Fade that will come through. ⁓ just a word of warning though. takes about 10 days for that new fade to cross over. And they do recommend that you delete the old one. I deleted the old one as soon as I set up the new one. So now we’ve got about 10 days with, with no reviews in the backend of the merchant center. So if you do do it, set it, set it up and then leave it for like nine days and then potentially remove the old one. especially if you’re a big e-commerce store and those reviews kind of are important on your shopping ads, ⁓ keep that in mind. So. Uh, yeah, judgment is a great review, um, kind of platform. And I think a lot of people that were paying for the expensive ones because judge me, weren’t an accredited Google partner, but now for how much judge me costs. And I think it’s like $15 a month or something. And compare that to like Kendo, which is like a hundred dollars a month. Now there’s, there’s really. not a whole lot of difference. So I think a lot of people will be absolutely flooding to judge me now for their reviews. And yeah, I’ve had no problems with it on my clients. I actually really like it, but yeah, it’s welcome news that they’ve now been accepted by Google. And I mean, they’ve said it, they said it’s been coming for, I think I’ve read the Reddit forums when people were initially asking, think they said they’re working on it for like the last seven years. So it’s finally come through.

Charles Travers: Talking about reviews Jimmy do any of your clients ⁓ focus on trust pilot reviews?

Jimmy Dalgleish: Yeah. So one of my biggest clients, ⁓ does heavily. Yeah.

Charles Travers: The reason I say that is because I’m noticing in the data research that Trustpilot has an impact on AI search results, particularly chat GBT. And it seems like there’s more of a focus on reputational mentions than actual backlinks in order to actually get. shown on these larger platforms. Yeah, I did. Yes.

Jimmy Dalgleish: You saw that in your own, your own test in your tells. remember a while back you tested it on, ⁓ trust pilot and the reviews that were in there showed up in chat GPT almost the day after almost when you were testing.

Charles Travers: Correct, correct. Yeah, so I think that’s a big one I know that there’s a couple of Mike lines that you know, they don’t focus on that ⁓ Whether that’s because You know

Jimmy Dalgleish: I think Trustpilot is quite an expensive review platform, isn’t it? ⁓ To use client side.

Charles Travers: I think so. Yeah, think once you get it at scale, like if you know you’re getting a lot of reviews, it becomes more expensive. Yeah, that might be that might be one of the reasons.

Jimmy Dalgleish: Especially if you want to connect it to the Google Merchant Center as well. I can’t remember the pricing, but from memory it was quite expensive. I kind of just want to look it up quickly now. But yeah, from memory last time that I checked, I don’t know. They do have a starter one for…

Charles Travers: Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Dalgleish: $89 that’s Australian. I don’t know what it is. And then, so the starting at a hundred reviews per month, but if you’re doing a thousand reviews per month, you’re looking at $649 Australian per month just to use that review platform, which is a lot of money to collect reviews.

Charles Travers: Yeah. Yeah, yeah Yeah, it’s hefty in that ⁓ especially when you consider, you know the amount of costs Involved in running an e-commerce store. Yeah, so now reviews is is certainly a big one. but ⁓ yeah, it’s interesting You know to see how these platforms influence ai search results

Jimmy Dalgleish: Yeah, definitely. I think it’s going to just become more and more important. That’s why I’m, working a lot now on improving the merchant center feed quality that my clients are that are sending out. but yeah, I think I’d be interested to see some of your tools as well, Charles. Maybe we can do like not a podcast episode, but like, ⁓ coming out soon, but like demonstrating AI tools that have been built. So I’ve had a couple now that I’ve built out the one that I mentioned earlier about the compliance description rewriter ⁓ connects directly to Shopify, hit approve, and then all the descriptions are changed directly within Shopify. At the push of a button, that process took 23 minutes to change 600 descriptions. ⁓ But yeah, this…

Charles Travers: teaching. Is that with the client site you need you need access to that in terms of yeah, okay Was that ⁓

Jimmy Dalgleish: Yeah, the supplement site.

Charles Travers: Yeah, okay. Yeah, I mean that’s I think there’s definitely value there because Yeah, it’s not just Optimizing them and mapping them out. It’s the uploading it’s the manual work in terms of just you know If you were doing that one by one that takes forever. There’s just a lot of admin work ⁓ Whereas if you can get it done it

Jimmy Dalgleish: Yeah. Yeah, no, this did, this did six, this did 600 of them in 23 minutes. So, um, yeah, it was, it’s pretty eye opening. Yeah. I’m not even joking that it would have taken 12 months. Plus if they ever even got around to updating all 600. So, um, that’s the difference you can do.

Charles Travers: Yeah.

Jimmy Dalgleish: something that’s going to take over a year to update them all. Or you can do it in 23 minutes. I see so much opportunity for stores with large SKU numbers ⁓ because they’ve got so much more data, they’ve got so much more products, but now they can kind of operate at the same speed that a small store would in terms of managing product titles, all that. before, if you needed to change something and you needed to change it across thousands of SKUs, It takes forever. Even using some of the bulk editing apps, it’s a long process. yeah, ⁓ if you’re listening to this episode and you leave with one thing, will start with, with Plow, download it, have an experiment. Charles and I both using it to build out tools for our clients. And yeah, we’ve given you some cool use cases, I guess, for how we’re actually using it. Yeah, it’s time to start diving into that, especially now that Shopify have come out and natively connecting it with, ⁓ Claude code. You can do a test theme and start building your own Shopify theme from scratch. Learn how to learn how it works, learn how to, to, ⁓ prompt it properly. But yeah, I think if you’re taking anything away from this episode today, it’s, ⁓ the opportunities there at the moment to take. to make a lot of improvements quickly for tasks that would have taken you months. yeah, keep that in mind. I can’t stress that enough to some of my clients, because I work with large huge stores. like, this shouldn’t be taking you as long as it was, you know, even two months ago. You should be dramatically streamlining this process. So yeah, it’s going to be interesting to see what comes.

Charles Travers: Yeah, yeah, the speed of execution is is is massive, you know, I think that’s probably one of the most frustrating things you know when you when you’re waiting for a client on something and You know, know who that now with especially with AI this could have been done last week or Three months ago and result you could have a huge amount of results to show for it. So yeah If you’re not making changes and you’re not executing on things now a competitor is and Not just one competitor probably a dozen competitors

Jimmy Dalgleish: Even I remember speaking to you. I remember speaking to you about this like months ago, Charles, when we were early on, but I’ve got one client where their product collections, like 90 % of them are missing descriptions. But, I’m just thinking now I could build out an app to fill out all those descriptions in the space of an afternoon. And it’s something that we haven’t touched in like 12 months. I could probably solve that problem, ⁓ over the week, over, over a weekend. ⁓ yeah, it’s just, it’s pretty cool what you can do now. ⁓ yeah, well, I might, we might leave it on that note for this week. Go experiment with Claude. If you’ve got a large Q store, you’re doing things manually quite often. It’s kind of, it should be a trigger to be, Hey, I need to, ⁓ need to invest some time into figuring this out and buying my buying your time back basically.

Charles Travers: Sounds good Jimmy. Do want to finish us off in terms of where people can find us? All that jazz.

Jimmy Dalgleish: Yeah. Yeah, sure. If, um, yeah, come say, come say hello in the Facebook group. It’s been, uh, there hasn’t been a post in there for a while, but if you post in there, me and Charles will get the notification. reply instantly, but we are at, um, Shopify marketing secrets on Facebook or just, uh, check us out in any of the podcasting platforms or e-commerce, uh, e-commerce marketing chats. ⁓ and also you can find us on YouTube at e-commerce marketing chats as well. look forward to, ⁓ chatting to you guys next week with all things, e-commerce and AI at the moment too. see you guys.